The stories in your book have been published separately in
literary journals, and “I Can’t Just Turn It Off” was a finalist in a Glimmer
Train Contest. I have no doubt that you could have published the collection
through a small press. What led you to the decision to self-publish?
I just didn’t want to go through the long, long wait for
this project. First, you gotta find an agent. Then, you gotta find the
publisher. Please wait 6-8 months before sending the manuscript out to another
agent/publisher. Then once you find someone, you wait another year or two for
it to come out. I just don’t have that kind of time! It’s bad enough the dog
needs to go out twice a day … on top of that I’m sending out so many new short
stories to magazines that I’m getting like, a rejection a day.
There was another more serious reason, too: I really,
really wanted to publish a Kindle version for an affordable price. I think
$2.99 is a good price for 100-or-so pages of short stories, no? I’m not a big
fan of buying a 150-page short story collection in hardcover for $20. That’s
just too much. It’s not a good business model, and I have no idea why New York
publishers are so obsessed with keeping this going in an age where the newest
generation of readers are used to getting everything—music, magazine articles,
news—for free. And where is the cost coming from? Paper and whatever the heck
hard covers are made out of.
So I put this out on my own, with the help of a lot of
great people. And I think I’d like to keep it going. I think Brew City Press
could help a couple published authors a year and we’d do the exact same thing:
put together a collection of published stories or poems. We’d format for the
Kindle, design a cover, set up the account, and then let the writer have it. Writing
all this down, it sounds expensive. This would definitely be a vanity project.
Several
things about the book strike me as very innovative, the introductory notes
about each story and the intermissions, for example. I can’t imagine coming across
these elements in a short story collection published by a small press. Do you
feel self-publishing gave you more freedom than you would have had if you had
published through a small press?
Oh sure. You get to do whatever you want with your book.
Neil Gaiman did a little set of introductory notes for one of his short story
collections, so I guess there’s some history for it. I really liked it, though.
I enjoyed hearing him talk about the stories and give a little
behind-the-scenes for each one.
It’s not for everyone, though. Some people don’t like it,
and they can skip it. That’s OK. But I’ve always enjoyed getting inside a
writer’s head and hearing the story behind the story.
Have you come
across any drawbacks of self-publishing?
Well, for starters you’re not taken too seriously. That’s not
surprising, though, given how much complete crap ends up being self-published.
That isn’t to say it’s all crap, but there’s plenty of it. So I’m trying to
earn some respect here. It’s a slow process. I still can’t convince my hometown
newspaper—The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel—to review my book. It’s “tainted”
because it’s self-published. But all the
stories were previously published, I argue. Sometimes that works. I
contacted Madison’s Cap Times on a whim and they were amazing to me. Interview
and everything. Great write-up. A lot
of fun. Really supportive of the local arts. When I realized the article was in
the printed paper, too, I went to the local supermarket and grabbed like, 20
copies or something. I got a few strange looks from shoppers.
Reviews help, for sure.
Of course, you need to find reviewers. No publicist here. So
I’ve been going out and slogging through dozens and dozens of book blogs and
Web sites with some success and some failure and then I blog about it for fun. The
big reviewers are so inundated that they almost never take review copies
anymore unless they come from the publisher. The Book Slut definitely won’t. I
more or less begged without success.
The trick is to find reviewers who might actually like to
read your kind of book. My book is a collection of short stories. A web site
that reviews only Half-Naked-Scottish-Vampire-Man-Beast
books probably isn’t a good fit. There’s a lot of those types of books, by the
way. If you’re going to search for book reviewers, expect to end up on lots of
sites featuring book covers with half-naked men. Depending on your sexual
preference, I suppose this could be an enjoyable process.
Then of course there are the web sites who charge a small fee
for a review. It’s a business and sometimes it’s good, sometimes it’s bad.
Kirkus will review self-published books, but for a hefty price. Some other
smaller review sites will do it for a much more affordable price, like the
Self-Publishing Review.
What really gets tricky are the sites that are clearly taking
advantage of writers. Outskirts Press is a great example. For just $299 (holy
crap!) they’ll submit your book to 10 reviewers. Wow! That’s an amazing deal, Outskirts Press! Thank you
so much!
Guess what? I contacted those very same reviewers and sent each
one of them a copy of my book. It took two hours. The cost: $20 for printing
and shipping.
So it’s been a lot of work. I’d be lying if I said maintaining
the blog and checking the book sales hasn’t been fun, though. I’m learning a
lot and I hope others can learn from my mistakes, too.
After my book was accepted for publication through a small
press, I spent the next several months revising according to feedback from the
press’s fiction editor. What was the process of preparing your book for
publication like? How did you make up for not being able to work with an
editor?
I never would have done this if I hadn’t already received
feedback. Since 10 of the 11 short stories are previously published, they were
already looked at by editors. Feedback was accepted and implemented.
Still, it needed a good look-through. So I gave a few copies
away to former classmates in my MFA program to see what they could spot. They
found a few things, mostly grammar and the such. It passed muster, though.
But this is one of the downsides of self-publishing. Worst of
all, a lot of writers don’t bother getting editing help or, worse, they find an
editor and pay way, way too much. I run an editing business on the side and I’m
amazed by the number of writers who come to me after having spent 2 or 3
thousand dollars(!) for editing help, only to be greatly disappointed by the
service. They’re disappointed enough that they want to spend more money getting more editorial help.
Getting free editing help is one of the cool things about
finding an actual publisher. Man, to have an editor who actually likes your work enough to stick with
you? That’s the dream right there.
I wouldn’t know. The first book I sold was dropped before
it was published by Harbor House Books, so clearly that publisher didn’t
believe in me. I don’t even think I had an assigned editor. My blog rants
against the Bush administration probably didn’t endear me to the good ol’ boys
running the press, though. I remember their editor-in-chief once wrote a book
about slaves fighting for the South
during the Civil War. That’s how ridiculous he was. That should have been a
red flag.
Live and learn, I guess … oh look: they’re out of business.
Well, maybe there’s some justice in this world after all.
You initially put the book out as an e-book, which sells
on Amazon for only $2.99. A month later, you put the book out in hard copy
form. Was your plan always to make the book available in both formats? How have
the sales of the e-book compared to the hard copy?
I only added a print version because my friend and classmate,
Chris Smith, designed such an amazing cover for it. Like, seriously, it’s
beautiful. It looks better than most of the stuff you see at Barnes and Noble.
The moment I saw it, I said (to the dog, ironically) “This needs to be in a
book store.” The dog looked at me curiously, but I think she understood too.
So now the book is in stores. It’s available in two
bookstores in Madison and one bookstore in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. And I’m happy
to ship a few copies anywhere else, too. I’ll try and get it in a couple more
stores. I might try and leave one in a Barnes and Noble and then try and buy it
and then go: “Oh, it doesn’t scan? That’s weird. This guy’s getting pretty
popular.” It might make for a good blog entry.
Sure, the price is a little higher. But, again, that’s just the
cost of printing.
These days, publishers rarely spend very much money marketing
their books, so from a marketing perspective, self-publishing isn’t much
different from publishing with a press. What have you done to get the word out
about your book? Have there been specific things that have worked especially
well?
Besides reviews? I’m up for anything. The blog has gotten
pretty popular, which is cool. Maybe I could sell copies of the book at
Madison’s farmer’s market. We have a pretty unpopular governor so maybe I could
stop by the protests and sell some copies. Cold selling would take a lot of
guts. I could barely work up the courage to walk into the local bookstore and
ask them to sell my book.
There are a couple little sites that let you post a blurb. It’s
a neat idea that lets interested readers get a feel for the story. Other than
that, you just gotta be creative. I’ve found what works best is desperation and
a little self-flagellation. Brainstorm an idea, then procrastinate until you’re
in a cold sweat. Then stand in front of the mirror and berate yourself until
you finally put on your coat, go out and give it a shot.
There’s always standing on a corner asking people to buy your
book.
I had one other idea that I might try: what if I just sat in a
Barnes and Noble all day and tried to sell 50 books? It sounds doable,
especially if I brought some kind of snack to lure people in. If it’s a
failure, it’ll make for a great blog entry.
Then again, you could always do nothing. I put my fantasy
novel, The King of Blades, on
Kindle, too. That was the novel that was going to be published by Harbor House
before they changed their minds after two years of foot-dragging. That freaking
book is outselling the short story collection by a mile. What the heck? I mean,
I like the book and all, but it’s still a little depressing. I’m really, really
working my butt off promoting this short story collection. I have an intense
desire to see its Amazon ranking climb a bit.
In the second intermission to the book, you list ten things you
learned while writing the book. I couldn’t help but relate to number five:
“Nobody wants to publish my atheism-tinged novel.” If I were to make a list of
ten things I learned while writing the stories in my book, I would say the same
exact thing. Any plans for the atheism-tinged novel? Are you shopping it
around? Do you think you might self-publish it?
I would kill to publish that book. It’s funny. It’s smart. It’s
got the most colorful characters I’ve ever come up with. In the first ten
pages, an English professor shouts at students legally crossing the street and
I can’t stop laughing every time I read it. I’ve sent it out from time to time,
but no dice. Isn’t there some kind of anti-press out there? Like, who’s
publishing the antithesis of Eat, Pray
Love? My whole book is about evolution and the fact that Creationism is idiotic.
It’s gold, subjectively speaking. It could be complete crap too, I suppose.
You get to a point, sometimes, where you just want the story out there, and I think that’s when
self-publishing is at its best. Especially if you have a network of writer-friends
who can help you with the process. I have another book written that I worked on
for my MFA degree. It’s called The
Occupation of Emerald City and it’s about three people living in a city
that’s being occupied by a foreign country. The entire book is based on
research of occupations, especially Iraq. It’s two years old now but I still
think it’s pretty special. Couldn’t find a publisher for it, though, so now it
just sits on my computer. Every month, I go back to it and I read through part
of it and the temptation to just put it out there is just getting stronger and
stronger.
What are you working on now? Is the next book in the works
yet?
I’m writing the second draft of a book that I think is probably one of
the best things I’ve written yet. I’m using first-person narration, just the
natural voice that I’ve been so successful with in my published short stories.
I’ve never tried that in novel form before, and I have no idea why. I’ve always
written in third-person even though that’s not my strong suit. It’s like I had
a choice between chocolate cake and carrots, and for some reason I kept picking
the carrots.
The story’s about a psychologist treating schizophrenics and it’s
based on true events. I actually met someone involved in the original project
at a local Starbucks and I would pick his brain every time I bumped into him. Lots
of research. Lots of good things happening there. Big Pharma’s not gonna like
it, so I suspect they’ll probably kill me soon.
Sometimes, a story really sucks. I’ll go back to it after I’ve finished
it and I’ll delude myself into thinking it’s OK so I’ll keep working on it and
then I’ll send it out and get a bunch of rejections. Then I’ll look at it
again, and I’ll fight the urge to vomit on my keyboard. “What are you
thinking?” I’ll ask myself. “Seriously? A story about pirates who find unusual
gems filled with the souls of other
pirates? That doesn’t make a lick of sense!” Delete.
Sometimes, a story just tingles.
I had that with “I Can’t Just Turn It Off,” which is in the book. That story … I sent out the first draft
to Glimmer Train and it won a Finalist award. Everything came out almost
perfect. Except the ending. The ending needed work. I was lucky enough to find
an editor, Richard Peabody, who believed in the story and let me re-submit it
three times before it was finally accepted. That’s unprecedented in the world
of literary journals. It’s the coolest experience I’ve had so far with a
publisher.
So yeah, what I’m trying to say is … this new book? This new book has
a tingle.
Very interesting interview! It's good to know that there are people self-publishing who are choosing to do so.
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ReplyDeleteGreat interview! I'm looking forward to reading his short story collection. :) I also love the description of the tingle - it's a great reminder to trust your inner writer. The stories we can't stop writing are the ones people love to read. :)
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